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They said what??? | Hunter of Justice

They said what???

by on October 2, 2008  •  In Elections, Marriage

OK, so I'm watchin' the veep debate and tryin' to figure out how the stars managed to align to give Tina Fey the comic role of a lifetime, as embodied, gosh darn it, in this debate.

There's just too much to say, so I'm pasting in below a transcript only of the portion on gay couples.  If you can figure out what either of them was getting at, other than opening up that hospital visiting room door that politicians love to dwell on, or which of them might actually understand what the Constitution does and does not apply to, or — oh, never mind…

IFILL: Senator Biden. Do you support, as they do in Alaska, granting same-sex benefits to couples?

BIDEN: Absolutely. Do I support granting same-sex benefits? Absolutely positively. Look, in an Obama-Biden administration, there will be absolutely no distinction from a constitutional standpoint or a legal standpoint between a same-sex and a heterosexual couple. The fact of the matter is that under the Constitution we should be granted — same-sex couples should be able to have visitation rights in the hospitals, joint ownership of property, life insurance policies, et cetera. That's only fair. It's what the Constitution calls for. And so we do support it. We do support making sure that committed couples in a same-sex marriage are guaranteed the same constitutional benefits as it relates to their property rights, their rights of visitation, their rights to insurance, their rights of ownership as heterosexual couples do.

IFILL: Governor, would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation?

PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead. But I also want to clarify, if there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant and I have a very diverse family and group of friends and even within that group you would see some who may not agree with me on this issue, some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue. But in that tolerance also, no one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties. But I will tell Americans straight up that I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means. But I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage.

IFILL: Let's try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?

BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it. The bottom line though is, and I'm glad to hear the governor, I take her at her word, obviously, that she think there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple. If that's the case, we really don't have a difference.

IFILL: Is that what you said?

PALIN: Your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.

IFILL: Wonderful. You agree. On that note, let's move to foreign policy.

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000000kay, let's recapitulate:

The fact of the matter is that under the Constitution we should be granted — same-sex couples should be able to have visitation rights in the hospitals, joint ownership of property, life insurance policies, et cetera. That's only fair. It's what the Constitution calls for.

and

[N]o one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties.

By golly, those hospital waiting rooms are safe!

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2 Responses to They said what???

  1. J. W. October 2, 2008 at 11:12 PM

    When it comes to same sex marriage, I believe that it should be every individuals choice to decide if they want to get married or not. If two people are happy together and want to spend the rest of their lives together then it shouldn’t matter if it’s man and woman, woman and woman or man and man. I think it is terrible, that even in the twentieth century this subject is still on the table and a third party decides over a couples Life. I think the Bible teaches us various things and tells us how we can be better human beings. Although, I also think that God made all of us different for a reason. He wanted us to except each other as we were and not judge each other. And if anyone might say that same sex couples are a danger to children than I think they are full of it. Same sex couples sometimes raise, love and protect their children better than some heterosexual couples are even capable of. And if there might be a suffering for the child then it’s because there are still too many people in our society that make our children feel terrible just because they have same sex Parents.
    I am so tired of having other people making decisions over my choice of life. Same Sex couples are not harming anyone. They are just happy. Maybe even happier than some heterosexual couples.

  2. K.L October 2, 2008 at 11:27 PM

    Looks like Palin didn’t have pocket Aces, she was carrying Jokers.

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